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I know it is.

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It's clear by now.

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The UFOs are seen pretty much everywhere, at least in every place that has the required

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formula for a sighting, which really just boils down to one, a strange object in the

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sky, and two, well, a person, obviously.

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But there are locations around the world that seem to attract the weirdness.

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Places where reports come with greater frequency than others.

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Often, the number of reports isn't the only thing that sets these areas apart, but the

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strangeness of them as well.

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The Chestnut Ridge has been a haven for the unusual for centuries now.

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In the 1800s, farmers recounted sightings of ghostly apparitions, hairy creatures, and airborne

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fireballs, with the same frequency that locals in other parts of the country might recount

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running into bear, deer, or elk.

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That's what brings me to the ridge today.

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In the last couple of months, Stan Gordon has taken a higher number of UFO reports than

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usual.

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And he's invited us along on one of his investigations.

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Tonight, we're on the property of a local woman who lives outside of Kecksburg, who has reported

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multiple unusual objects in the past month.

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We've seen over the last several weeks of people in this area and other areas miles

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away that reporting at night seeing high altitude objects in the sky they're not familiar with.

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And a lot of these people have been out for years looking at the sky at night, when it's

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beautiful, but this is different.

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Some are reporting bright, luminous objects that sometimes are zigzagging, sometimes objects

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appear to come together in the sky and join, then some hover, and then some take off at

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a higher rate of speed.

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So, once again, if you're only getting one report, but when you're getting different

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reports and different people miles around, it's something of interest to look into.

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There's a little nice here.

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Crap, there's a couple of stories there.

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But also over the hill, not far away, several miles away, you can see the Chestnut Ridge.

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And of course, this whole area has had a history of sightings for years and years, and people

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are continuing to report seeing them.

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In the UFO vocabulary, the phrase hotspot comes up constantly, defining what it is exactly

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that separates a hotspot from any other location where people occasionally witness the paranormal

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is difficult.

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But to follow the line of thinking put forth by many modern day ufologists and researchers,

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a hotspot is anywhere that multiple reports exist over an extended period of time, involving

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a larger than usual number of phenomena.

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If that's the case, how many of these areas are there and what can possibly account for

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the fact that they exist in the first place?

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Places like the Nevada Desert and the upper reaches of the East Coast are often linked

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with the UFO subject.

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But while there are an unusually high number of reports in those regions, a lot of their

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reputation is owed to pop culture and the media.

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How much of the idea of a hotspot is due simply to an eagerness by location news outlets to

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reporting on aerial phenomena.

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Hotspots often become a sort of mecca for ufologists who will make pilgrimages to the

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area in hopes of witnessing something for themselves.

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The Chestnut Ridge hasn't yet reached this level of popularity, but others like the Hudson

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Valley or Gulf Breeze in Florida are considered a prime travel destination for those seeking

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to see something strange.

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If there's anyone who can help expand on where exactly UFOs are seen and whether or

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not they are actually UFO hotspots, it's probably Eleanor Haskin.

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Ellie is a good friend who also happens to have a PhD in folklore and a background in

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the UFO world as someone who once investigated citing reports.

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And once someone begins to investigate UFOs or to take a critical look at UFOs or even

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really delve into the phenomena at all, you'll find that there are areas particularly in

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the United States and around the world that seemingly have a high concentration of sightings.

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And this is really odd, right?

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Because you wouldn't really think that certain areas are drawing in more UFOs.

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So some of these areas that have these multitude of sightings include places like Point Pleasant,

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West Virginia, West Texas, Chestnut Ridge, Sedona.

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Mark Matsky is part of the Small Town Monsters crew and podcast host.

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He's also written articles on Fortean subjects and is extremely well read on the subject

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of UFOs.

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And his day job as a Lutheran minister gives him a perspective on the subject that many

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in the field might shy away from.

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He's also spent hours taking part in witness interviews and putting boots on the ground

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in areas that have gained a reputation as a hotspot.

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There used to be a time when you thought of UFO hotspots as being largely a rural phenomenon.

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And the reasons for that are fairly easy to understand.

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On one hand, you have a darker sky than you would have in an urban setting.

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There is much more observational potential out on farmland, for example.

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The Hudson Valley is a place that crosses the suburban with the rural.

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Located within the eye side of the Big Apple, the valley is cut in half by the waters of

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the Hudson River and is a strange mixture of large towns, tiny villages and isolated

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pockets of people living amongst the breathtaking views afforded by the nearby mountains and

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forests.

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This is where New England really begins.

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And during my time in the valley, I was never unaware of the beauty and mystery that have

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been pulled together in this place.

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While the region holds some of the earliest settled areas on the East Coast, the Hudson

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Valley's history isn't just rooted in the founding of our country.

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Sightings of strange lights in the sky go back to the great airship waves of the 1900s

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and still further back to the 1600s.

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Looking at the reputation in ephological circles of being one of the East Coast's most

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well-regarded hotspots.

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I may be biased, but the Hudson Valley is a beautiful area stretching along the Hudson

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River from New York City north to Albany, approximately 200 miles.

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So we're talking about a fairly large geographical area.

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Once you get out of New York City, suburbs, dairy farms, lots of woods and mountains,

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an enormous amount of lakes, reservoirs and bodies of water.

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Can you talk about the Hudson Valley stuff?

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Yeah, I mean, so back in the, I say early mid-80s, even stretching into the early 90s,

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the Hudson Valley and New York thousands of boomerang shipcraft were being reported.

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I would say 1988, late 1982 to 89 was what I believe is the biggest wave anywhere in

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the country, anywhere in the world ever when tens of thousands of people on any given night

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would see these massive triangles.

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This was an equal opportunity wave of UFO sightings.

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Many police officers, emergency room physician, Air Force personnel, teachers, just regular

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everyday old people going back and forth to work.

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It was everybody.

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While the Hudson Valley began to erupt with unusual activity, locals across the region

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began to report their own bizarre sightings to anyone who would listen.

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While in the town of Gosha, New York, we had the opportunity to meet and speak with a witness

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named Gary Tribert, who had a bizarre string of events unfold in his life beginning in

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the 1960s.

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Among the series of fascinating stories he would tell us was one involving what he believes

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was one of the infamous Hudson Valley black triangles.

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Just one night, my wife went to bed kind of early and I was sitting up watching TV and

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my dog was going crazy outside.

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And finally I went out because he wouldn't stop barking and I saw this object and it

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was like I described it as a ball of Christmas lights.

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But it was huge because there was a house next to me and you could see it over top of

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this house.

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And I walked down, I lived back on a private road, I walked down my driveway and out to

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the main road and I watched this thing.

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I got close to town and it shot up in the sky, you know, like a bullet and it was just

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a little dot and it shot back towards the east.

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I ran home, woke my wife up of course, said you wouldn't believe what I just saw and I

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knew I had coaxed her out of bed, she came down and as we're standing there talking

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on the front steps of my house I see the point, this point coming over my roof and it ended

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up being like this gigantic triangle that engulfed this guy.

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And I took a step off steps and waiting for this thing to catch up to me, it was moving

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so slow and we watched it leave, you know, I just mesmerized watching this thing move

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away and then it just kind of headed north and away.

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My wife stayed and watched that but she won't talk about it now, she kind of denies it.

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And these were being reported by law enforcement first and foremost, which is like a dream

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come true for a UFO investigator, anyone in authority, whether it's military, law enforcement,

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when they're the ones having these experiences, that's a big risk for them to come forward

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and say that.

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I can't tell you how many dozens, if not hundreds of police officers had these sightings.

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Many accounts of they hear in one jurisdiction that this vehicle is passing overhead, they

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would jump in their cars and chase it and you would have several precincts in one night

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trying to follow this object.

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So the Hudson Valley UFO waves started with the police and it kind of ended with the police,

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they actually investigated all these cases, not just some UFO cranks or enthusiasts.

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Were most of the sightings taking place in rural areas or suburban areas or what were

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the locations like?

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The sightings took place from anywhere from Midtown Manhattan, people's apartment balconies

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are driving down the street to extremely rural locations.

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The bulk of the activity I'd say we can just lump into suburbia, you know, small central

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towns, sometimes smaller cities.

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So geographically I think at this point it's safe to say that in the United States for

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example there's nowhere that UFOs haven't been seen to where some of the most well-known

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modern cases have taken place in largely urbanized settings with multiple witnesses.

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That waned, as I said, the end of the 1980s, there was a mini wave in the Pine Bush New

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York area into the mid-1990s and as for this area I can't really say there have been any

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other waves per se, certainly short bursts of activity but nothing to compare to the

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80s or 1909.

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My time in the Hudson Valley was eye-opening, not simply because of the unusual melding

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of unpopulated and heavily populated areas but also because it's so clearly a place

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where unusual things still happen.

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Amongst the tiny towns and villages there is such an acceptance of the UFO subject by

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locals that many of the people we spoke with spoke about it as if it was any other mundane

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topic.

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Like places like the Chestnut Ridge are an example of anything, it's just how unusual

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some geographical locations can be.

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What it is that witnesses are encountering in areas like this truly defy rational explanations

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and simply seem to create an endless litany of questions.

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While the sheer volume of reports in places like the Hudson Valley and the Ridge share

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commonalities, the unending parade of weird that marches across the skies and occasionally

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the Earth in Pennsylvania sets up another type of hotspot entirely.

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One of my associate researchers Jim Brown of Fayette County in September had an incident

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where in the afternoon there had been a storm, it was over, it was a beautiful clear sky,

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there was one cloud in the sky.

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He sees first his big black sphere, he said it looks like the size of a full moon when

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you see it up in the sky.

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It comes out of the one direction and moves directly into this cloud but it never comes

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out.

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A short time later two more of these big black spherical objects from different directions

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come across the sky, one being that they both enter the cloud, they never come out.

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His wife runs in the house to get a camera in case another one shows up while she's

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in there.

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The fourth wind appears but this one has spikes out of several parts of the diameter of this

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thing.

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It's kind of moving around and rotating because into the cloud never comes out.

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And then that cloud begins to change to a yellowish color, it begins to fade out and

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disappear.

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So there are these hotspots and some scientists believe that these hotspots could be places

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where you know perhaps there are portals or there are multi ways to access other dimensions.

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The concept of a window area is related to that of a flap except the window element of

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that attempts to get out an explanation.

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The idea of the window presupposes the existence of a realm beyond what we can normally see

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or sense.

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Tribal traditions all over the world have this concept of these portal areas, window

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zones, sacred lands, sometimes it's a taboo.

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Their view is that these pieces of land are areas of connection to other worlds.

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There was some aspect of this area that you could kind of access either multiple dimensions

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or something like that where there are kind of portals or gateways that things were coming

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in and out of.

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That could be a reason that there are these hotspots around the world for paranormal activity.

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But a window would then be a time and a location where whatever is in that realm that we typically

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can't experience.

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One comes through the window in two hours so that for a time we see the light in the

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sky or we see this strange physical craft that seems to leave some markings in the

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earth behind.

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You know these areas are geographically spaces of high weirdness and what I have found through

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investigating these areas over the years is that again the native traditions talk about

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these areas and they say no that's the place of the spirits, that's the place where things

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happen you take a chance if you go out there.

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There's a type of explanatory power that's meant by the window.

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It opens for a period whatever is back there or behind it comes through, interacts with

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us for a while and then goes back through and is gone.

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While the Chestnut Ridge seems to be a popular destination for unknown aerial phenomena, the

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entire state of Pennsylvania has a history of settings that date back to the 1700s.

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Sean Forker is based in the state of Pennsylvania where he's been evaluating the UFO topic

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since he was a kid.

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While Sean doesn't consider himself a UFO investigator, he's more familiar with the

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subject than most and has been involved in a number of investigations including one that

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has ties to another one of my interview subjects, Alexander Petikov.

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Like Forker, Petikov is something of a newcomer to the UFO subject.

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He's a filmmaker and adventurer from New Hampshire who documents strange subject matter when

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he is in hiking large swaths of the U.S.

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Both Forker and Petikov investigated a series of unusual events that occurred at a small

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farm less than two hours from the Chestnut Ridge and ended up with more than they bargained

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for.

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We call the area 516 up in Clearfield County.

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They have all kinds of strange phenomena going on, strange lights, orbs of lights appearing

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in these fields around their home.

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I interviewed this family claiming there were black helicopters and orbs and all sorts of

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other things and especially UFOs.

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So the first year, you know, we had a little town hall meeting, we talked to lots of locals

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and there were tons of stories of people seeing strange lights in the sky.

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My flags start going up when I start hearing all these things.

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Great, it's just another one of these cases where you've got one mystery compounded by

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another mystery, you're never going to sort it out, you're just wasting your time.

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This is a plot of land where a family has a home on one area of the land, a family owns

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a house up on the hill, they're all, you know, it's family land, they're all relative.

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And they all have different experiences and different things going on, but some of it's

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so similar.

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Either they see or hear an upright figure walking around their property or they see

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strange lights or they see strange lights in the sky.

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We get up there, spend time with these folks and I'm down in this little campground they

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have set up.

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And I'm left there with a couple of the younger kids and this flash of light happens.

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And I can't explain it, no light, nothing, I can't explain this flash of light.

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They see the flash of light, one of the kids goes, did you see that thing standing in the

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woods over there?

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And I'm like, no, but we're getting out and I took them back home and people had told

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me that they had experienced the same thing as they're going through, they see this flash

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of light and entities standing off in the distance.

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So once we returned in May of 2019, one of the, I think it was the second night we were

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there, we were all kind of dispersed in different areas doing sort of night ops.

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I was of course posted down in the woods near this property and there was just absolutely

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beautiful stars.

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So we decided to reconvene up at the property that we were staying at and just kind of hang

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around the fire pit.

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We didn't have the fire on, but we were just going to do some star watching.

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And right after midnight, we saw what appeared to be actually when I first looked in the

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corner of my eye, I just saw this kind of object in the sky and I immediately thought

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it was either a star or the moon that was behind a cloud.

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And we all noticed it and as we started watching it, it basically just started moving through

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the sky in a motion, almost like a leaf in slow motion, just kind of bobbing up and down.

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We quickly realized that this was not the moon.

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I mean, there were no clouds in the sky at all.

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It completely cleared up.

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So this was the only thing in the sky.

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And we sort of just started watching this thing.

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And at one point, about two minutes in, a smaller object flew off of it and flew back

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into it, like a bright little light.

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Now this object was not really defined.

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It was like a, I describe it as like a haze.

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And then this smaller object was a lot more defined, just like a bright little light, just

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the secondary object is parallel to the undefined object the entire time in the video.

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And towards the end, they kind of just become one.

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Basically, we watched this thing until it went over the horizon and it went over the

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horizon.

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We were all still staying there for a couple of minutes and then a bright object went from

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right to left, just lightning speed just through the sky.

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And that was it.

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While the Chestnut Ridge is certainly a region that remains active with reports, it's never

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a guarantee what you'll find when you go.

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In my short time there, the only thing we saw in the night sky were planes, satellites,

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the moon and the planet Venus, leaving me to wonder if maybe the window closes when those

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on the other side know they're being sought after.

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The concept of a window area or hotspot isn't particularly new.

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And they certainly aren't relegated to Pennsylvania or New York.

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Reaching to find some sort of throughline between these locations becomes very murky,

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however.

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While some researchers have tried to connect areas more active than others by lay lines,

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fault lines and other, less scientific patterns, the fact is these places exist around the

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world with no definitive characteristic that runs between all of them.

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There are a lot of hotspots.

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A lot of them are around Air Force Spaces, which says a lot, whether it's, again, alien

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technology or man-made secret experiments, test aircraft, then I can't say.

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Also bodies of water.

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I mean, my own UFO sighting took place over a body of water and I cannot tell you how

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many people have come to me and said, I saw something over this lake or I was at the beach

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and I saw this.

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What does that mean?

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I couldn't tell you, but a lot of people do theorize that whatever intelligence lay

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behind some of these UFOs, that water could be some sort of resource for them.

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New England is no stranger to these sort of triangle areas.

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Most famously we have the Bridgewater Triangle just south of Boston where there's a whole

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host of strange things reported, especially UFOs.

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Lots of spook lights seen in the swamps there in the Bridgewater Triangle and then you have

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in Vermont, Southern Vermont, the Bennington Triangle.

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And then in New Hampshire you have what's called the Ossopy Triangle, which is this basically

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this perfectly circular mountain range just south of the White Mountains.

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I think it just goes to show that people do kind of like that idea that there are confined

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areas where these sorts of things happen maybe more often than others.

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New York Times broke this story in December 2017 that the Pentagon was investigating UFOs.

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What people don't realize is that at the beginning this project was more than just UFOs.

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This was inspired by this place called Skinwalker Ranch.

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There were people claiming to see Bigfoot.

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There were portals that people said they saw.

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A lot of where cattle mutilations and UFOs.

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All this stuff was going on in this ranch, this area of Utah, but especially at this

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ranch.

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The senator of Nevada was Harry Reid, who was friends with Robert Bigelow, who had actually

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hired a group of scientists to investigate this ranch in Utah.

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Harry Reid got $22 million to start this program that was actually called Ossap, but

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it was to investigate all of the paranormal things happening there.

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Then they said that there were these hotspots around the world for paranormal activity.

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They were investigating and interestingly enough this group of scientists and others

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seemed open to that idea.

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Window areas are pretty interesting.

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I mean we look at areas like Sedona where you see UFOs coming in and out in mass or by

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themselves and just disappearing out of sight.

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Sedona is tricky to investigate and I'll tell you why.

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Sedona in the late 80s, early 90s, became a major New Age Mecca.

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You had people moving there and coming there from all over the country who were interested

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in a wide range of different alternative modalities.

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Everything from crystal healing to channeling and all these other aspects.

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In the midst of that, you get the native traditions from the area that talk about the power centers

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and that yeah, it's a place of what people now call vortexes.

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It's a place of very special pieces of land.

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It's a tricky area.

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It's a fascinating place and it's really beautiful and hey, you know, if aliens want

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to come down and visit a cool place, Sedona's definitely one of them.

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Debates still rage within UFO circles as to whether or not there even is such a thing

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as a hotspot or a window area.

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In the last year, it has been posited that a window area, as put forth by John Keel,

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really only exists in a place where an undiscerning investigator resides.

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The idea being that someone like Stan Gordon or John Keel create the window area simply

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by failing to debunk any of the reports they take in.

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This would ignore the decades and occasionally even centuries worth of history relating to

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unusual phenomena in these locations.

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The Chestnut Ridge and Sedona were weird long before local researchers began taking reports

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of strange lights in the sky.

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So do hotspots even exist at all?

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There is data that seems to support that they do, but why and how will remain a question

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I continue to ask for the foreseeable future?

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I'm a little bit skeptical of that because I think a lot of the sightings, if you look

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at some of the data, just have happened in terms of UFOs all over the place.

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Just a lot of sightings over the years.

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And I think when there's something like a Bridgewater Triangle or a Bennington Triangle,

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they kind of take on a spirit of their own.

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So people will go down there with the intent of probably having an experience.

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So are these things hopping in and out of some sort of wormhole or dimension?

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I couldn't tell you.

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That's a stretch for me personally.

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I don't necessarily believe that there are specific areas that these UAP are flying in

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and out of, but anything's possible.

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There is something to the idea of a hotspot or a flap area where various phenomena can

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be reported for a time and it reaches almost a fever pitch and then it stops.

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So oftentimes people use explanation of mass hysteria in order to qualify what's happening

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in these places.

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And what that means is they'll say, oh, this one person saw something unknown.

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They couldn't really figure it out.

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It was swamp gas.

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It was plane.

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It was a jet.

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It was military.

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And that story begins to spread around a community and then the community latches on to that

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and more people start imagining things happening and it really picks up like a snowball rolling

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down a hill.

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It just gets bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger.

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And people will qualify that as mass hysteria and say, that's what's happening in these

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communities.

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Where in actuality, when you really begin to investigate and what I mean there is talk

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to people, you find out that oftentimes what they're reporting is not necessarily an

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awareness of someone else's story, but instead unbeknownst to them, these other sightings

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have been occurring and they too are seeing something completely unexplainable or outside

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their understanding of the way the universe works.

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And they don't really know how to classify that.

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And ultimately the stories begin to look similar as a result.

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If the point of this journey I'm on is to seek answers, then it seems to follow logic

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I'd find my way to Sedona.

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Sedona in the 60s and 70s was a contactee paradise.

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A place where those claiming to be in touch with extraterrestrial beings would come to

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call down the UFOs.

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Today, it's far more populated than it once was.

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And though the UFO subculture still exists here, it's more hidden away than it once

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was.

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Still, activity continues to be recounted by locals and out of towners alike.

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With places like the Stardust Ranch taking on a mythical position as the place to go

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to see a UFO.

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Multiple energy vortexes are said to exist in Sedona, places where the veil is particularly

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thin.

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It's in these locations, spread about the region, that UFOs are seen on a nightly basis.

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We've been told the best place to encounter a UFO is on the airport Mesa Trail, which

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leads right to one of these supposed vortexes.

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So tonight, that's where we're going.

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If the window is still open, I'm all for getting a look at what's on the other side.

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Oh, damn, this looks crazy, dude.

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It does?

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Yeah.

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So, no.

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This is the sound.

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Not yet.

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When did I turn into you?

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I think it's fine.

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It's okay.

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It's okay.

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It's okay.

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It's okay.

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It's okay.

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It's okay.

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It's okay.

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It's okay.

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It's okay.

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It's okay.

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It's okay.

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It's okay.

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It's okay.

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It's okay.

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It's okay.

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It's okay.

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It's okay.

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It's okay.

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It's okay.

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It's okay.

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It's okay.

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It's okay.

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And just like that, whatever it was we saw was gone.

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Presumably back through the window it came in and all I could do was stand and watch

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and maybe in some sick twisted way, which I could follow it.

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Coming up on the next episode of On the Trail of UFOs.

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When he approached Kairan Aso, it was going on.

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They reported that they were chased for about 12 miles by a large red UFO.

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I don't even think we'd let cigarettes.

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My friend says, what the f is that?

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And we looked and sure enough, there's this formation of lights.

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These creatures, whoever's on the inside the TV looking at them, what's going on here,

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because they didn't expect it either.

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So then the TV goes out, they run outside and there's a big UFO right over their house.